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Far Wanderer
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Posted - 2014.03.09 01:10:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:This thread is nine months old  ...and it's still being linked to, which means new readers have to slog through post after post of major jerk factor in order to read anything useful.
Thankfully an ISD cleaned it up, so those of us interested in the topic can now get some use out it, and we no longer have to wait on the sidelines because certain capsuleers would rather use the thread for target practice instead of hopping in a ship and doing it for real.
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
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Far Wanderer
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Posted - 2014.03.09 18:28:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Far Wanderer wrote:RAW23 wrote:This thread is nine months old ...and it's still being linked to, which means new readers had to slog through post after post of major jerk factor in order to read anything useful.  Who on earth is still linking to this thread? Who cares?
If it doesn't interest you, that's fine. Plenty of other threads on MD for you to play in and they don't all need to be to your satisfaction to remain open.
HTFU and GTFO.
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
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Far Wanderer
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Posted - 2014.03.10 06:07:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Ah - I see you are a veritable fountain of terrible ideas that demand unnecessary CCP interference in the game. I fully understand your attraction to this thread now. Laying out bait to get the thread closed, eh?
Bye bye now. 
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
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Far Wanderer
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Posted - 2014.03.10 06:14:00 -
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Jade Raikki wrote:As an economy nerd you just gave me an orgasm.
Realistically speaking tho, the system would not work well with the current eve framework. If you introduced some risks on those bonds however, interesting things could come out. Risk free bonds would be a disaster, but what if there was a risk ? It's politics, after all. What sort of risks did you have in mind? 
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
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Far Wanderer
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Posted - 2014.03.10 16:28:00 -
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Alexander wulfgard wrote:Creation of a "risk free" rate.
In order to value all other financial products in Eve, a risk free rate is essential. I like the idea of adding a bond market to the game.
I don't like the concept of "risk free."
You can't have EVE without risk. Substantial risk. Sometimes even losing all your ISK risk.
What are the ways you can think of that players can influence--even temporarily halt--the bond market you're proposing?
Should the value of bonds instead be tied to stations? Such that the value of a bond is linked to the "value" of a station in terms of market activity in and out, ore reprocessing and all other activities where players pay a fee to the station and otherwise conduct their business there?
If players don't invest in bonds in an NPC station, could a station degrade over time (i.e. start to lose or close services like Medical Facilities)?
Can there be bond rates based on other factors? The value of a solar system, constellation, region?
It seems to me that the wider the area the more reliable a bond should be, whereas the smaller an area the less reliable.
Likewise, the rate of return should be smaller for a larger area, but bigger (and more volatile) for a smaller area.
Right before bonds are due, could there be mission arcs or faction warfare scenarios where players can try to sink the value of bonds "for the other side"?
Sort of a way for one large group to mess with the wallets (or rather, the bond returns) for other player's wallets?
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
--Azual Skoll |
Far Wanderer
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Posted - 2014.03.12 08:51:00 -
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Alexander wulfgard wrote:Let me first say that I admire you for your alternative career path in Eve. You create content and fun beyond the normal boundaries of the game. Thank you. 
Alexander wulfgard wrote:But as stated earlier the GÇ£risk free index/rateGÇ¥ do not mean you avoid all risks. It simply refers to the fact that the security does not hold default Risk. To be honest, I don't understand all of the technical words you're using. I think I understand what you mean about no default Risk, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I just think there ought to be some inherent risk, even in with NPC-issued bonds.
Alexander wulfgard wrote:A form of asset backed municipal bond linked to faction ware fare is an interesting suggestion. Thank you again.
I think it would be interesting if you could bet on faction warfare. Much like a hedge fund trader. It seems to me like there are enough big ISK players in EVE that if they could influence faction war outcomes for a payoff, they'd do it. (Who knows, maybe they already do?)
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
--Azual Skoll |
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